Rekeying Kwikset to use Weslock keys

[Tremo]

Yo guys, please bear with me, I know nothing about this stuff. I have
a situation in a building where there are two Weslock deadbolts on a
couple of doors. These deadbolts are keyed on both sides. For
personnel safety reasons, we must change the inside to toggle knobs
instead of keys, so only the outside is keyed. We can't afford to have
anyone "locked in", in case of fire. Secondly, company policy says
that I still have to be able to use the existing Weslock keys on any
new locks installed. I have been told that Kwikset deadbolts, like I
can get for $25 or so at the local Home Depot, can be rekeyed to use
Weslock keys. Is this true? Any specific models?

If I were to buy two new Kwikset deadbolts and take them to a local
registered locksmith, along with the existing Weslock key, what would
be a customary and reasonable charge for getting them rekeyed?

Is the physical size and mounting of the Weslock and Kwikset deadbolts
the same so I don't have to alter the existing holes in the doors?

Any words of warning or advice?

Thanks in advance.

[--Shiva--]

Post by Tremo
Any words of warning or advice?
Thanks in advance.

yeah, dont do it..

there are 2 dimensions that (ignoring the keyway) are critical..

the first cut distance from the shoulder, and the center of cut
to center of cut past that..

between the KW and the Weslock, the shoulder to center of first
cut is SOME different. its enough that
it CAN be done.,. HOWEVER I have never YET seen it work in a
long haul. AND the key MUST be pinned JUST SO for it to work..
you end up having a pin sitting on an edge between 2 cuts which
is NOT a good thing..



so, if there is NO Weslock dealer around you.. Try Lowes and
Home Depot..
then get on the internet and get 2 shipped in to you.. should be
several palces you can buy them..

--Shiva--

[Evan]

Company policy says that I still have to be able to use the
existing Weslock keys on any new locks installed. I have
been told that Kwikset deadbolts, like I can get for $25
or so at the local Home Depot, can be rekeyed to use
Weslock keys. Is this true? Any specific models?

What kind of occupancy are you in ??? Commercial
office ??? Then don't use Kwikset... Contact a local
locksmith and order Lori deadbolts... The locksmith
should be able to find a mortice cylinder that will be
more compatable with the Weslock keys...

If I were to buy two new Kwikset deadbolts and take
them to a local registered locksmith, along with the
existing Weslock key, what would be a customary
and reasonable charge for getting them rekeyed?

The $25 product you can purchase at Home Depot
is a throw away lock for light residential use... They
WILL NOT stand up to heavier use in a commercial
environment...

Evan,
~~ formerly a maintenance man, now a college student...

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Post by Tremo
Yo guys, please bear with me, I know nothing about this stuff. I have
a situation in a building where there are two Weslock deadbolts on a
couple of doors. These deadbolts are keyed on both sides. For
personnel safety reasons, we must change the inside to toggle knobs
instead of keys, so only the outside is keyed. We can't afford to have
anyone "locked in", in case of fire. Secondly, company policy says
that I still have to be able to use the existing Weslock keys on any
new locks installed. I have been told that Kwikset deadbolts, like I
can get for $25 or so at the local Home Depot, can be rekeyed to use
Weslock keys. Is this true? Any specific models?
If I were to buy two new Kwikset deadbolts and take them to a local
registered locksmith, along with the existing Weslock key, what would
be a customary and reasonable charge for getting them rekeyed?
Is the physical size and mounting of the Weslock and Kwikset deadbolts
the same so I don't have to alter the existing holes in the doors?
Any words of warning or advice?
Thanks in advance.

Kwikset blanks will fit in a Weslock but Weslocks blanks won't fit in
Kwikset locks.

['Key]

On 21 Dec 2005 20:01:42 -0800, "Tremo"

Post by Tremo
Yo guys, please bear with me, I know nothing about this
stuff. I have
a situation in a building where there are two Weslock
deadbolts on a
couple of doors. These deadbolts are keyed on both sides.
For
personnel safety reasons, we must change the inside to
toggle knobs
instead of keys, so only the outside is keyed. We can't
afford to have
anyone "locked in", in case of fire. Secondly, company
policy says
that I still have to be able to use the existing Weslock
keys on any
new locks installed. I have been told that Kwikset
deadbolts, like I
can get for $25 or so at the local Home Depot, can be
rekeyed to use
Weslock keys. Is this true? Any specific models?
If I were to buy two new Kwikset deadbolts and take them
to a local
registered locksmith, along with the existing Weslock key,
what would
be a customary and reasonable charge for getting them
rekeyed?
Is the physical size and mounting of the Weslock and
Kwikset deadbolts
the same so I don't have to alter the existing holes in
the doors?
Any words of warning or advice?
Thanks in advance.

Kwikset blanks will fit in a Weslock but Weslocks blanks
won't fit in
Kwikset locks.

was wondering when someone would mention that :-)

[SunshineTeam.net]

Ugg.... this was the worst thing I'd come across in one of the cities I
worked in. People would own Kwikset knobs, Weslock deadbolts, and have
Arrow locks on the outside security gates, and want them all on one key
"because the locksmith who keyed it up before did it that way".

THIS IS CRAP!

Sure, you CAN key it alike, but you SHOULDN'T.

As mentioned in one of the replies, the pins sit on the flats for the
Kwikset (or Weslock, or whatever key you're using), but the other pins
sit on the cuts.

If nothing is done to the integrity of the lock, your set of keys coming
from your "locksmith" doing the job will work okay for awhile, but any
copies made will probably have an 80% chance of not working properly.
Sure, locksmiths keep their machines as accurate as possible, but 1 or 2
thousandths on the depth, PLUS the 1 to 4 thousandths on the
side-to-side sure adds up to a crappy key.

People would call the shop "the locks that YOU keyed at my home up don't
work on the keys YOU cut at the shop."

Well, that's because you're too cheap to get matching locks.

If you want the keys to work smoothly so the locksmith doesn't have to
hear you whine about the keys, the locksmith usually will take the lock
apart and either put beveled bottom pins in the top chambers, or file
the plug down at the shearline to give it 5 to 10 thousandths of
compromise for your crappy keys.

This is a security risk. Now your locks are that much easier to pick.

If you have more than one brand of lock, the spaces from cut to cut need
to be exact (or within a reasonable tolerance) or you are going to be
much better off with a set of keys for each type of lock.

Now, in some very rare cases, you can change the cylinders out with
aftermarket cylinders that match the specifications of the keys you're
trying to key these up to, but if you're spending that money, you might
as well just buy new locks.

Is the few dollars you're going to save on a few locks really worth
having keys that won't work properly (or have a security compromise if
they do work properly)?



Sunshine Locksmith Team
http://www.sunshinelocksmith.com
http://www.sunshineteam.net

Post by Tremo
Yo guys, please bear with me, I know nothing about this stuff. I have
a situation in a building where there are two Weslock deadbolts on a
couple of doors. These deadbolts are keyed on both sides. For
personnel safety reasons, we must change the inside to toggle knobs
instead of keys, so only the outside is keyed. We can't afford to have
anyone "locked in", in case of fire. Secondly, company policy says
that I still have to be able to use the existing Weslock keys on any
new locks installed. I have been told that Kwikset deadbolts, like I
can get for $25 or so at the local Home Depot, can be rekeyed to use
Weslock keys. Is this true? Any specific models?
If I were to buy two new Kwikset deadbolts and take them to a local
registered locksmith, along with the existing Weslock key, what would
be a customary and reasonable charge for getting them rekeyed?
Is the physical size and mounting of the Weslock and Kwikset deadbolts
the same so I don't have to alter the existing holes in the doors?
Any words of warning or advice?
Thanks in advance.

[goma865]

Get a Lori DB-Then find a mortise cylinder in the WK1 Keyway.
You will have to alter the hole that recieves the bolt some.
The Lori has a metal box for a reciever.

Later,
goma.

[goma865]

^I meant to say "Go to a Locksmith".

I have Lori's.
I order them on a regular basis and I do recommend them.

Good luck,
goma.

[Evan]

Post by goma865
Get a Lori DB-Then find a mortise cylinder in the WK1 Keyway.
You will have to alter the hole that recieves the bolt some.
The Lori has a metal box for a reciever.
Later,
goma.

That is the wonderful thing about the Lori deadbolts... With the
proper mortise cylinder installed they can be keyed into just
about any system out there...

That is one of the things that I wonder about these days, why
do so many people cheap out and go with grade two bored
locksets when they could easily purchase mortise locks that
can be compatable with so many different kinds of lock cylinders
that can be swapped out to upgrade the security of a facility
without being limited by the type of bored lock hardware they
initially installed...

Evan,
~~ formerly a maintenance man, now a college student...

['Key]

Post by Tremo
Yo guys, please bear with me, I know nothing about this
stuff. I have
a situation in a building where there are two Weslock
deadbolts on a
couple of doors. These deadbolts are keyed on both sides.
For
personnel safety reasons, we must change the inside to
toggle knobs
instead of keys, so only the outside is keyed. We can't
afford to have
anyone "locked in", in case of fire. Secondly, company
policy says
that I still have to be able to use the existing Weslock
keys on any
new locks installed. I have been told that Kwikset
deadbolts, like I
can get for $25 or so at the local Home Depot, can be
rekeyed to use
Weslock keys. Is this true? Any specific models?
If I were to buy two new Kwikset deadbolts and take them
to a local
registered locksmith, along with the existing Weslock key,
what would
be a customary and reasonable charge for getting them
rekeyed?
Is the physical size and mounting of the Weslock and
Kwikset deadbolts
the same so I don't have to alter the existing holes in
the doors?
Any words of warning or advice?
Thanks in advance.

yes,
forget it, do it the correct way and tell your company to
change their policy.
after all,
they are finally changing their policy on personnel safety.
something tells me they may have been forced to do that ?

my2¢