Automotive "try-out", "jiggler keys"...?

[k***@nl.rogers.com]

I was wondering if it would be worth the expense of having a set of
automotive try-out or jiggler keys in my tool kit?

(Just finished a locksmithing course and money is scarce).

Do they actually work?

Thanks in advance.

[m***@notanywhere.net]

Post by k***@nl.rogers.com
I was wondering if it would be worth the expense of having a set of
automotive try-out or jiggler keys in my tool kit?
(Just finished a locksmithing course and money is scarce).
Do they actually work?
Thanks in advance.

overall? save your money.. UNLESS you are in an area of a LOT of
10 cut Ford.. (pre 96), then you want the ignition set..
Aero lock..impression the door-its a good lock to practice on..

otherwise, there are better things..
I do Chevys and Fords almost totally exclusively..
6 cut GM, progress the door off the glove box lock or quickly
pull the door panel, and get..
ignitions have to come out usually..

GM 10 cut? depends on the vehicle..some you yank the ignition
lock out of the dash-code is there..


8 cut Ford? one of the determinator types works good ASSUMING
the door lock is NOT got a stuck wafer, which most in my area do,
then a progression chart helps complete the key..
OLD foreign cars.. key code is on a lock, OR you need to pull 2
sometimes and then progress the rest of the cuts.

CHrysler? I impression..

REALLY comes down to what area do YOU have in your neck of the
woods, AND what do you want to get in to??
some car areas are VERY expensive.

--Shiva--

['Key]

Post by k***@nl.rogers.com
I was wondering if it would be worth the expense of having
a set of
automotive try-out or jiggler keys in my tool kit?
(Just finished a locksmithing course and money is scarce).
Do they actually work?
Thanks in advance.

are you a car dealer ?
if not ?
you would be better off working on your opening skills..


my2¢

[Stormin Mormon]

I would not waste my money. I tried to make a home made set for six
cut GM, but didn't have much luck with em. I did also get a set for
Ford ten cut ignitions, have had some success with those.

Shorr answer is to learn the trade, not the tricks and gadgets.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

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I was wondering if it would be worth the expense of having a set of
automotive try-out or jiggler keys in my tool kit?

(Just finished a locksmithing course and money is scarce).

Do they actually work?

Thanks in advance.

[goma865]

I made my own try-out set for GM 6-cut.Only failed once because of a
seized sidebar.
(Engine compartment on a Fiero with the battery dead-Great Fun-)
I think there are about 400-500 blanks I cut on the b15.
I formatted it on the computer and used some half-steps.
Think I still have the bitting list.

I don't think I ever finished the tryouts I started for ford 10-cut,
but I use them quite a bit.

Technically(here we go), jigglers and try-outs are two different types
of tools.

I have tried jigglers a few times-The ones that come with
determinator-not much success.

Chryslers and older Hondas do impression well for me.


Later,
goma.

[Stormin Mormon]

I got a call to remake a key to a early 90s Chrysler. Look in my
catalog, and it was the double sided wafer. I can impression the old
pin tumbler Chryslers no big problem. But not tried the wafer locks.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

"goma865" <***@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:***@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

I made my own try-out set for GM 6-cut.Only failed once because of a
seized sidebar.
(Engine compartment on a Fiero with the battery dead-Great Fun-)
I think there are about 400-500 blanks I cut on the b15.
I formatted it on the computer and used some half-steps.
Think I still have the bitting list.

I don't think I ever finished the tryouts I started for ford 10-cut,
but I use them quite a bit.

Technically(here we go), jigglers and try-outs are two different types
of tools.

I have tried jigglers a few times-The ones that come with
determinator-not much success.

Chryslers and older Hondas do impression well for me.


Later,
goma.

[m***@notanywhere.net]

Post by Stormin Mormon
I got a call to remake a key to a early 90s Chrysler. Look in my
catalog, and it was the double sided wafer. I can impression the old
pin tumbler Chryslers no big problem. But not tried the wafer locks.

just as easy... think of it as a 10 cut Ford door lock, but BOTH
sides at once..
I knife edge it, to see whats up.. after the door, trunk adds a
cut, then ign for the last cut..
start with glove box IF its got one..
that way you are working your way out from tip

--Shiva--

['Key]

Post by Stormin Mormon
I got a call to remake a key to a early 90s Chrysler. Look
in my
catalog, and it was the double sided wafer. I can
impression the old
pin tumbler Chryslers no big problem. But not tried the
wafer locks.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.

they really impression easy. they make obvious marks.
note;
be real gental if you're impressioning the ignition.
as damage can be easily done.
a safer way is to impression the door and very gently
adjust your cuts in the ignition while progressing the first
cut that is required in the ignition.
if you are having to make a trunk key on a 90 model ?
there can bea tip cut to be added.

forget the above process on a 96+ model.

my2¢

[goma865]

Post by Stormin Mormon
I got a call to remake a key to a early 90s Chrysler. Look in my
catalog, and it was the double sided wafer. I can impression the old
pin tumbler Chryslers no big problem. But not tried the wafer locks.

.I once got a call for a Stratus.
No keys.
In February-A sizzling 15 degrees.
I open the truck, stuck an inspection mirror in the lid, slipped in a
blank and saw "What was up"
Pak-a-Punch-Pow-pow-pow-pow-pow.
Gently Imp the ig for the last two.
New set of keys.
Paid and gone in twenty minutes.

goma.

[m***@notanywhere.net]

Post by goma865
.I once got a call for a Stratus.
No keys.
In February-A sizzling 15 degrees.
I open the truck, stuck an inspection mirror in the lid, slipped in a
blank and saw "What was up"
Pak-a-Punch-Pow-pow-pow-pow-pow.
Gently Imp the ig for the last two.
New set of keys.
Paid and gone in twenty minutes.
goma.

got an early Contour..10 cut..
was 5 below.. car in middle of the parking lot-and they were
trying to clean the snow off lot..
opened the door, popped the trunk lid, got lock out.. gave me 6
cuts..
tryout key set, FIRST key tried turned.. only ONE possibility of
cuts.. done in 2 minutes, and the salesman ARGUED that i didnt
make the keys..
it was 30 below chill factor AND I HURRIED...lol
never did another one that fast since.

--Shiva--

[Bill Halle]

Locksmithing is fully integrated today, so please leave the Jig keys alone,
ok?

Post by k***@nl.rogers.com
I was wondering if it would be worth the expense of having a set of
automotive try-out or jiggler keys in my tool kit?
(Just finished a locksmithing course and money is scarce).
Do they actually work?
Thanks in advance.

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[lockee.keyee]

Post by k***@nl.rogers.com
I was wondering if it would be worth the expense of having a set of
automotive try-out or jiggler keys in my tool kit?
(Just finished a locksmithing course and money is scarce).
Do they actually work?
Thanks in advance.

According to the Foley Belsaw manual, you should be using a rotary pick on
those jobs.
In and out fast is the way to make the cash.
Elmer McSwill

[goma865]

Post by lockee.keyee
According to the Foley Belsaw manual, you should be using a rotary pick on
those jobs.
In and out fast is the way to make the cash.
Elmer McSwill

['Key]

Post by lockee.keyee

Post by k***@nl.rogers.com
I was wondering if it would be worth the expense of
having a set of
automotive try-out or jiggler keys in my tool kit?
(Just finished a locksmithing course and money is
scarce).
Do they actually work?
Thanks in advance.

According to the Foley Belsaw manual, you should be using
a rotary pick on
those jobs.
In and out fast is the way to make the cash.
Elmer McSwill

well, the Foley Belsaw manual is wrong...
the home study I took many years back (locksmith institute)
recommended to have a dealership r&r the lock.
yea right :-)