Herring-Hall-Marvin Floor Safe docs

[saintory]

Hello all,
I work for a company with an old safe located in the development
room. It was abandonded by the last company before ours. I'm looking
for some documentation about it, like where to find the serial number
and how the thing works (e.g., how many turns left-right-left, etc.).
If anyone can point me in the direction of some I'd greatly appreciate
it.

Thanks much,

Gregory

[Roger Shoaf]

4 turns left to the 1st number
3 turns right to the 2nd number
2 turns left to the third number
right to stop or right to last number and turn handle

If that does not work, try the same thing but reverse the left turns for
right turns and the right turns for left.

If you do not have the combination, forget getting it by a serial number, it
aint gonna happen. Check the local phone directory for locksmiths in your
area for bids on opening.
--
Roger Shoaf
If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent.

Post by saintory
Hello all,
I work for a company with an old safe located in the development
room. It was abandonded by the last company before ours. I'm looking
for some documentation about it, like where to find the serial number
and how the thing works (e.g., how many turns left-right-left, etc.).
If anyone can point me in the direction of some I'd greatly appreciate
it.
Thanks much,
Gregory

[Tom]

If you feel adventurous, you might try opening it yourself. Think of it as a
hobby.
Years ago at the library of Congress, I read a book called, "The Art of
Manipulation"
by Clyde Lentz and Bill Kenton..
Recently, while surfing the web, I found a pdf file with the same
information.
The link is posted below.

http://www.crypto.com/papers/safelocks.pdf

The book has been re-released. The link and copy are below.

(You don't have to buy it...the info is in the link above.)

http://www.nokey.com/artofsama.html

The Art of Safe Manipulation

Open Combination Locks Without Drilling, Burning, or Forcing! This is the
real deal and not a watered down version. The Art of Manipulation was
written for locksmiths and safe professionals in order to improve their
technique and knowledge of opening and servicing safes. This manual will
familiarize you with why manipulation is possible and how it is
accomplished.

The Art of Manipulation illustrates the step-by-step procedures needed to
manipulate lever type fence locks. Additionally, it explains the methods
used in the rotary fence gear driven, rotary fence spring loaded, straight
in tail piece, bottom drop, and off-set gear driven type locks.

Manipulation, also known as the "Hear, Feel, and See" method, was discovered
and developed by a small group of safe experts. After much deliberation, two
of these experts decided to pass on their information to other safe
professionals and published this invaluable book.

Availability: Usually ships in 5-7 business days.

$212.00

Tom

[m***@notanywhere.net]

Post by Tom
If you feel adventurous, you might try opening it yourself. Think of it as a
hobby.

1.. nice.. go buy the drill rig.. $700 to a grand
2. bore scope... $1400
3 enjoy

4. SAFE STILL LOCKED..

5. call the safe guy like you should of FIRST.

--Shiva--

[Roger Shoaf]

Post by m***@notanywhere.net
4. SAFE STILL LOCKED..
5. call the safe guy like you should of FIRST.
--Shiva--

Sure but Tom the Spammer would not receive the satisfaction of spreading
knowledge across the internet.

Ka-Ching ($212.00)

[Steve]

Post by Roger Shoaf

Post by m***@notanywhere.net
4. SAFE STILL LOCKED..
5. call the safe guy like you should of FIRST.
--Shiva--

Sure but Tom the Spammer would not receive the satisfaction of spreading
knowledge across the internet.
Ka-Ching ($212.00)
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

You can find copy's of that book for a lot less than $212. If the copyright
expired, as somebody claimed it had, there are probably digital copies
floating around somewhere for free.

[Tom]

If you read my post, I gave you a link to a pdf file with the info.
Recently, while surfing the web, I found a pdf file with the same
information.
The link is posted below.

http://www.crypto.com/papers/safelocks.pdf

[Steve]

Post by Tom
If you read my post, I gave you a link to a pdf file with the info.
Recently, while surfing the web, I found a pdf file with the same
information.
The link is posted below.
http://www.crypto.com/papers/safelocks.pdf

The Matt Blaze paper is not the same text as the book in question.

[p***@gmail.com]

Post by Steve

Post by Tom
If you read my post, I gave you a link to a pdf file with the info.
Recently, while surfing the web, I found a pdf file with the same
information.
The link is posted below.
http://www.crypto.com/papers/safelocks.pdf

The Matt Blaze paper is not the same text as the book in question.

yone with book email me

[Steve]

Post by m***@notanywhere.net

Post by Tom
If you feel adventurous, you might try opening it yourself. Think of it as a
hobby.

1.. nice.. go buy the drill rig.. $700 to a grand
2. bore scope... $1400
3 enjoy
4. SAFE STILL LOCKED..
5. call the safe guy like you should of FIRST.
--Shiva--

In all fairness he didn't say anything about drilling it open and
manipulating it doesn't require any of the tools you mention, only skill,
and a lock that will cooperate. If you want to learn manipulation on old
direct entry design is not a bad place to start.